this is honestly so beautiful to read. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. You will both be changed deeply by it. Then we hurt each other. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? It feels that we are very free together than alone. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). Composite, Davison Chart . Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? Talking about Fate! Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. WhiteLotus. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. Lovely article. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. Its pretty rare. Thank you for this series of articles! We are both married similar age kids. Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. I am NOT usually like this. Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. The diurnal chart's house cusps will also conjunct progressed and directed planets throughout the year and can mark significant days. There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. We all find our gods where we can and must. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. Lots of greetings from Serbia. Everything you said is so on point. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. Thank you for your answer. A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. Whatever I told you would not have a context. We are still friends and well always love each other. Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. It shapes the relationship between two persons. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. I don know what to do. This last chance element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thingwhen the lesson is learned, both these people move on. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. Its more complex than just the composite positions. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. Thank you very much Dawn. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. Because, of Saturn and Pluto? Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? 12th House Meaning. I will look into it. 1. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. I feel so helpless! (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). They seem bonded before a word is spoken. Since your Part of Fortune is in the 12th house of your birth chart, the sixth house is the opposite house. Just not what I wanted to hear. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). 00 Angel Number, 00 Angel Number Twin Flame. Our physical connection was addicting. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. Gilly. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) He didnt want to commit/marry. Thank you. It isnt bad, its difficult. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. The Sun person sees in the 11th house person someone, who they can spend pleasant time with. Hi Daw Good luck. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. This depends on how well Lilith energy is being handled in the synastry and natal chart. Dont worry, Evelyne. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. thundered One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. What do You think about Davison Chart? Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! Any advice would be helpful. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. Thanks so much Dawn. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. Transit Mercury in the 12th House Meaning, Transit Birth Chart, Mercury Astrology Free Interpretations . Our strongest aspect is Saturn Trine Moon. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. Thank you, Tricia. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. Most of my relationships are like that . Please your opinion. So sad! We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. Thank you for your reply Dawn . Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. This makes so much sense. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. It is SO powerful! They rip the rug from under you every other day. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . and Ceres in Pisces in his 12th and all conjunct his lilith. My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. We fall, and find the world. Pluto is elevated in the composite chart close to the midheaven in the 9th. The I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. You can use this to your . This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. Lilith in 8 th house composite. thank you for post! 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. Id appreciate any information. The Sun and Moon in the 7th house are especially encouraging for a new relationship (if you're single) because your main focus for the year (the Sun) plus your emotional concerns will be united in that area. You might have a relationship that was so intense, which left you hurting. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. Click on "Chart Type" >>. My english is not very good. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. The ego thing is very true. Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. Unable to forget it? What to make of this? I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. 12th House : A busy 12th house is very difficult in a composite chart, since it's the house of the unconscious feelings and all things hidden, so there will be a lot of miscommunication between the two. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. My natal venus is in the 12 th house. Lilith in the 12th House. They feel invisible or alone. We communicated telepathically and still do. . Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use.