It was the standard military issue helmet, albeit with some slight alterations to it, for American soldiers in the Korean War and the Vietnam War, as well as a whole host of smaller conflicts and deployments down to the early 1980s. I am trying to work out what the markings are/ what they mean. It may have been refurbished by the Americans during the 1930s and had new mounts added, which they did to both British and American Helmets, if you can find a makers mark you will know for sure. Royal Navy who died 15/03/1917 CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL United Kingdom ' The steel cap could not be used without the liner, but the liner could be worn on its own and indeed was regularly employed for this purpose in ceremonial settings within the army, or as protective headgear in civil society, by, for instance, policemen and fire brigades. $150-300 Information & Special Terms Internet Premium : 20% Participation Requirements: Valid Credit Card required for bidding approval Payment Options: Visa, MasterCard, Discover, American Express, Check, Money Order, Wire Transfer, and Cash Visa MasterCard Discover American Express Payment Instructions . The helmet was painted a camouflage mix of green, blue and orange, though a variety of alternative colours were also introduced for use in different theatres. Both the British and American helmets have marking stamped into the steel on the underside of the helmets skirt. Though I do not know the code for the manufacturers. The shape of the shell tells me its WWI manufacter. dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada ' Original WWII British Brodie Steel Helmet in OD Green- WW2 Dated $114.95 400 sold ORIGINAL WWII BRITISH / CANADIAN 1941 HELMET $49.88 $18.00 shipping WW2 Canadian Dispatch Rider Helmet $149.00 0 bids $22.80 shipping 5d 17h Antique World War 2 British Brodie Helmet WW2 $44.00 0 bids $13.30 shipping 3d 11h or Best Offer Worchester Pressed Steel Co - Worchester - Massachusetts. It was made of 'Hadfield steel', which could withstand the impact of some shrapnel. dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm ' By the by, not all MKIIs are British or even issued to troops. Frank Harrison EDINGER Army Chaplains Department who died 26/02/1918 HOLLYBROOK MEMORIAL, SOUTHAMPTON United Kingdom ' BlackWatch 5 years ago. The British troops followed with the Brodie helmet. The Brodie had also been employed in this way by the British in the inter-war period. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' The British did have an upgrade that was never adopted by the Americans. Originally this was a hard-hat like support which was designed to fit inside the steel cap, offering comfort, support and an extra layer of protection. Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France ' If its a split rivet that holds the bails in place, its Brit. New Zealand Engineers who died 13/03/1918 ST. POL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France ' dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada ' A heat stamp of 305B on a McCord manufactured helmet. Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France ' Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany ' var fontend = '' Do you know if he wasa civilian at this time, and could you take a photo of the inside of the helmet for me, and what. The original and very distinctive steel helmet adopted by Great Britain was designed and patented in 1915 by its inventor, John L Brodie. Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. Mar 08, 2023 1914-18 WW1 ARMY SWORD & SCABBARD $20. Will be adding helmets to the page soon, alexanderandsons (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. It also depends on where the helmet came from, are you inthe US? // Stop Define Variables for days of the month Frankston RSL Sub Branch Munition, German 75 mm. worked in or simply that he worked in a department in a parliamentary house, it's speculative at best I know ?. One of the main purposes of it was to essentially allow the head to breathe and sweat inside the steel cap. Paste as plain text instead, http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675048436_military-helmets_assembling-helmets_dipping-into-paint-tanks_wooden-crates. var mydate=new Date() dailyinfo[9]=' Boy SALEH HAJI S.S. TANGISTAN (Swansea).Indian Merchant Service who died 09/03/1915 BOMBAY 1914-1918 MEMORIAL, MUMBAI India ' The brim is quite shallow in width & the lining system comprises a padding fixed to the crown comprising layers of felt, lint, and cotton wool. Consequently the Infantry Board resumed its experiments to produce a new design. Often American GIs used the steel cap from the M1 as a rudimentary entrenching tool to dig these foxholes. var fontend = '' Thanks Leon21. I suppose it also is one of the images of the start of WWII for the US with forces in the Pacific wearing it while under Japanese attack at Wake Island and Pearl Harbour. dailyinfo[19]=' 9228 Corporal George F. PARRY 2nd Bn. Hi! and 34th Coy. Imperial Russian Adrian helmet. The first to develop an effective helmet were the French who had developed the steel Adrian helmet by the summer of 1915. . It could resist a shot from a pistol fired at it from point blank range. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' It's the bottom left helmet in the photo (sorry this is the only one he has) I know that's not a lot to go on, but can anyone gather some info from this? The asbestos pad is quite safe it is only the thickness of thick paper, my only doubt is the chin strap mounts they are, riveted the British used split pins. Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Sorry for the long post and thanks for any info you can give me. Are there any markings on the helmet shell - between a rivet and the brim usually? A soup dish style helmet from the Great War, offered for sale islabeledincorrectly. The Brodie helmet was designed by John Leopold Brodie, a Lithuanian entrepreneur and inventor who had first made his fortune working the gold and diamond mines of South Africa in the 1890s and 1900s and had then moved to Britain. I'm reading about them constantly and have never seen a comparison or "Idiot's Guide". I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic ' 1999-11-70-31 The Brodie design featured a brim 2in (5cm) wide, which protected the head and shoulders from above. UK. Soldiers wearing the recently issued Brodie helmet on the Western Front, 1916 More details: NAM. Regards, Paul. The result in 1940 was the M1, which was effectively an altered version of the M1917. Is it a BEF or US helmet? Fully restored with river gravel finis I'm sorry I don't have the answer to your question, but (and I apologise profoundly for what follows) - what's this about another Great War Forum? I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' and Gen. Hos. = Mine Safety Appliance Co - Pennsylvania. It's easy! By knowing about a few small details the buyer will never make the mistake of purchase the wrong helmet. This is what so many collectors need to restore an original British WW2 or American WWI Dough Boy helmet to wearable or even presentable condition. Moreover, many Commonwealth nations and other countries associated with Britain such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa began producing their own versions in the interwar years, while adapted versions of the Brodie were also used in some civilian settings in Britain, notably by the police and fire brigade. dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Progressive Knitting Works - Brooklyn - New York. Could be Kenny, it's not a British stamp mark socould have beenmade by one of the allied countries , if, it is American then it could be a M1917AI used between 1936 - 1941, the same period the MKII chin-strap. During the State Opening of Parliament in 1942 they formed a guard of honour for the King in the Royal Gallery and in that same year were inspected by Churchill. Hi, I recently found my Step-dad's Father's WW2 Mk.1* Brodie. Greetings. The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. dailyinfo[17]=' PLY/3566 Private Samuel ROBINSON H.M.S. It may be tempting for some to say because the two types of helmets look so similar they are the same. Welcome to the forum, the helmet looks British made and dates from 1916/17 period, it may have had a donut ring but with out the liner to hold, it in place it's gone missing. That's interesting that he was a staff member, because staff members were asked to volunteer to help in fire watching duties, with miles of corridors and hundreds of offices to check. The helmet resembles an upside down dishpan or washbasin in that it consists of a bowl-shaped cap and a large uniform brim running around the entire exterior. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' One is stamped 1938 in the 'furniture' and is either RAF blue or a police issue type. dailyinfo[14]=' 16511 Private Albert COLEMAN "D" Coy. Mar 11, 2023 Confederate Id'd Saber by Haiman, 31st Virginia $2,100. Remembered Today: I think I have read it is thought to be another mark of Firth and sons, but that make no reason for the K. I think it is quite a common mark though. I'm putting in a picture. WW1 Brodie British Helmet Original C. 1916 455.00 Click & Collect 12.00 postage or Best Offer 26 watching WW1 US AEF 30th Division Patch Painted Brodie Helmet 190.63 29.65 postage 10 watching Original USA American WW1 M-1917 Brodie Helmet with Original Sand Finish w Liner 317.72 63.54 postage or Best Offer A Kevlar casque, covered in a sheath of pale-brown desert camouflage cloth, it has a neoprene olive-drab band around the helmet's lower rim, with the soldier's name embroidered on it in black.. Thanks for the video, i will show my step father and see if he can recognise his dad, I would think this is more likelyto be lettering on a Civil Defence unit helmet than Home Guard. Although the helmet shells do look the same they do not feel the same. The liner can always be a replacementthough that style screams WWI and should be held in place with a rivet.. dailyinfo[5]=' 12147 Private Harry COOK 8th Bn. It seems to happen frequently. if it is red underneathit could have been. Here's how to install a American M17 helmet liner video part 1 and 2. There were at least six British helmet manufactures and nine steel suppliers. Most American helmet do have heating lot numbers. He worked at the Houses of Parliament (I cant quite remember what position he held but I will ask my step father tomorrow) and he was good friends with Sir Winston Churchill and attended various dinners with him, one of which we have the original letter and menu for. The shell is an American made M1917A1 made by the ( McCord Radiator Co ) the heat stamp number( 10C ). 14th Bde. Upload or insert images from URL. British Mark Mark I Brodie U.S. P17 helmet The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. Display as a link instead, What mythical beast could that be?? The M1 was eventually used in virtually every part of the globe, certainly everywhere that fell within the American sphere of influence during the Cold War, from the Balkans to much of South America and from West Germany to Singapore. Northamptonshire Regiment who died 14/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' A heat stamp of 50A with an 'S' beneath it on a Schlueter manufactured helmet. Re: Help Identifying Brodie Helmet A post 1939 dated British Mk2, have a look around the chin strap lugs for a date/maker name. In WW1 Allies: Great Britain, France, USA, etc 1914 - 1918, In Polish Armed Forces - Second Republic (Siy Zbrojne II Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej) 1918-1939, blue brodie helmet(or not) identification, Advice on purchasing a British Military MKII Helmet. English: The "Brodie" shrapnel helmet was the flat steel helmet worn by British Empire troops in the first and second world wars, and U.S. troops in World War I. Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium ' var daym=mydate.getDate() Production of the Mk 1 Brodie helmets . I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. Although a few American troops did manage to get a hold of covers by in large the A.E.F. [1] Contents 1 Background Clear editor. First questions and then the story. McCord Radiator, Ford Motor Company were both known to have made P17s, but there wereundoubtedly more. No criticism of you, however the term 'brodie' is a silly collector's term which has no historical precedence (a chap called Brodie designed an early helmet which . Benjamin Electric Co - Des Plaines - Illinois. He said it has a separate rim and a serial number of ZA57. Hi J.H.E. Category. I'm sorry I could not find a post 1916 stamp (see below for two examples of post Aug 1916 stamps. Commonly referred to as the "Kelly" between 1932 and 1936 the M1917 and the British MK1 helmets in America. Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. in the late 1930s - 1941 and the M1 helmet and liner was phased in 1941 - 1942. While the M1917 and Brodie helmets appear very similar, a few characteristics like the chinstrap ball, construction material and paint were slightly different.